Whither Europe?

Please look here:

This is an English comedian commenting very seriously on Muslims in England.

http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/index.php?

(Sorry if you have to cut-and-paste, this site doesn’t seem to be linking anymore.)

Now look at the response I got immediately from a correspondent in Europe. He's a young (20s), well-educated Englishman who ought to be the poster boy for the New Europe since he has a Polish father, lives in Poland and married there.

Full disclosure: The response is genuine and quoted without alteration, but I knew I was going to get something like this when I sent it.

That is to say, this is ambush journalism, a practice I ordinarily don't like. I may regret this tomorrow morning - and then again I may not. I spent yesterday covering the change-of-plea hearing for a couple who starved a baby to death, and I'm in a very bad mood.

To quote from a further response of mine (it went on for a few more) "Though not Jewish myself, I have Jewish relatives and I think I'd have a lot more if more people in Europe had spoken up when speaking up might have made a difference."

So how typical is this attitude? Loathing ones own country to the point of magnifying it's faults, while forgiving those of a culture entirely antithetical to it, anti-semitism, etc.

I don't know. I fear it's probably more common than we'd like.

In a future post I'll take up what I think this means for Europe. For now, I'd like some feedback.

And BTW, I'll also probably review Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism" and quote the Fascist party platform.


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“Oh please Steven - don't tell me that you're taking the rants of this cockney fascist seriously. Not only does he not distinguish between Muslims, Saudis, terrorists and the British Asian in the street, he gives no details of the substance of the alleged human rights violation mentioned earlier. His answer to the complaint, in keeping with the values of free speech he so eloquently defends, is to shout them down and throw abuse at the speaker. He goes on to make spurious arguements to support his claims that we are somehow being very fair to Muslims. Well, sorry the police smashed your door in looking for non-existent bomb-making materials, Abdul, but we have built a nice mosque for you down the road so everything's OK.

Typical Daily Mail-inspired nonsense for suburbial white trash. This loser does not speak for me and I find it vaguely offensive that he repeatedly asserts that he does.”

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Note that this begins with a class insult ("cockney", not necessarily an insult but in this context pretty clearly one), and a general insult for "political position I don't like" devoid of any other meaning ("fascist"), and ends with with an insult both classist and racist ("Daily-mail inspired... suburbial white trash".)


I replied:

First: define Facist - as in name a single plank on the "Fascist" platform. Musollinni's or the present-day Italian Fascist Party will do.

You had to Google it. You used a label that meant nothing to you, only an insult that reassured you "I don't have to think about that one."

Are you referring to the non-existent bomb-making material that materialized on your 7/7? Or perhaps the honor killings, forced marriages, car torchings, riots etc that have become so much a feature of the west European landscape that your media doesn't seem to notice anymore.

Jyllands Posten anyone? How many men was it they arrested in a plot to murder a 72-year-old cartoonist last month? And where was the Muslim outrage and the cries that they don't represent true Islam?

Sorry guy, you had a nice little civilization going, but you're losing it because you don't have the guts to stand up for it.

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Reply:

Fascist as in Pat Robertson the BNP's pin-up boy. If it looks like a fascist and quacks like a fascist to me it's a fascist. When I speak of non-existant bomb making materials, if we forget for a moment about all those weapons of mass destruction that were stored by the muslims in Iraq, I'm talking about the incidents where the police raid a house for suspects and then quietly release them when no evidence is found. Remember the ricin gang? Of course you don't. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/01/10/nbio210.xml

You know as well as I do the British government have a long history of this behaviour in Northern Ireland and so putting it to use on non-whites comes quite naturally.

"And where was the Muslim outrage and the cries that they don't represent true Islam?"

And where is the outrage with this story? Pat's on a loser because he knows very well there's no story here.

And there's nothing wrong with our civilisation, thank you. If there really is a threat to it then, if anything, it will become stronger because of it. Anyway, European culture has been under threat for decades from commercialisation of traditions such as halloween and the subtle rewriting of histrory by the predominantly Jewish film industry in hollywood (300 is a classic example)

No, I'll need more than ill-informed rants from Pat Goebbles to convince me to ethnically cleanse Europe of Mohammedans thank you very much.